AMD's 65nm Preview Part 2 - The Plot Thickens (Updated with Information from AMD)
by Anand Lal Shimpi on December 21, 2006 12:12 AM EST- Posted in
- CPUs
Final Words
Now that the pieces are falling into place we are able to understand a bit more about the implications of AMD's move to 65nm. It's clear that these first 65nm chips, while lower power than their 90nm counterparts, aren't very good even by AMD's standards. Already weighing in at the high end of the voltage spectrum, we hope to see more overclockable, lower power offerings once AMD's 65nm ramp really starts up. It's a constantly evolving process and if this is the worst we will see, it's not terrible; AMD can only go up from here, but it does mean that you shouldn't hold your breath waiting for the right 65nm AMD to come along.
Performance and efficiency are still both Intel's fortes thanks to its Core 2 lineup, and honestly the only reason to consider Brisbane is if you currently have a Socket-AM2 motherboard. It is worth mentioning that AMD still has the lowest overall power use with its Athlon 64 X2 EE SFF processor, but in terms of performance per watt efficiency it's not all that great. We would really like to see an EE SFF successor built on AMD's 65nm process, but we have a feeling it will be a little while before we are graced with such a delicate creature.
The step back in performance with Brisbane is truly puzzling; while none of our individual application benchmarks showed a tremendous loss in performance, it's a very unusual move for AMD. The last thing AMD needs to do is take away performance, and based on its current roadmaps the higher latency L2 cache makes no sense at all. Either AMD has some larger L2 cache variants in the works that we're not aware of, or AMD's cache didn't take very kindly to the 65nm shrink. As soon as we get the official word as to why L2 access latencies jumped 66% with Brisbane we'll be sure to report it; until then we can only wonder.
We long for the good old days, when a die shrink meant ridiculously overclockable processors, back before a die shrink was coupled with a sneaky decrease in performance. While Brisbane is far from a Prescott, it's not exactly what we were hoping for from AMD's first 65nm Athlon 64 X2. Hopefully they can work out some of the process' kinks in time for the K8L launch.
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MartinT - Thursday, December 21, 2006 - link
AMD - Best CPU at doing nothing.This seems to be AMD's new mantra, no wonder given how hopelessly behind in performance and performance/Watt they are.
mino - Thursday, December 21, 2006 - link
Nicely said.Or better:
CPU using the least power while doing nothing...
DigitalFreak - Thursday, December 21, 2006 - link
LOLBeenthere - Thursday, December 21, 2006 - link
I doubt many PC enthusiasts place much importance on CPU power consumption. If they did Intel would never have sold any P4 chips. With Video cards drawing 200+ watts per card, a 65 nano AMD chip is a sweet piece.From my perspective, this is the first AMD 65 nano chips and like most process drops there is little performance gain just in lowering the nano size. AMD has a lot in the pipeline and as it arrives I suspect PC enthusiasts will be quite satisfied with both the CPU options and performance.
It should be pretty obvious that 99.9% of the market doesn't need faster CPUs, dual cores, quad cores, etc. until we get a decent O/S that can use these CPU features and full 64-bit function. How friggin long will we have to wait for quality 64-bit software to arrive? That is something that would help PC performance significantly, yet we've been waiting two years and the software folks have delivered almost nothing.
Sh0ckwave - Thursday, December 21, 2006 - link
You're right, enthusiasts don't care about power consumption at all. We care about performance and overclocking ability.The average user does not need a faster CPU.
Why doesn't Anandtech write articles for enthusiasts anymore?
mino - Thursday, December 21, 2006 - link
Also, many enthusiasts work at IT depts making decisions what architecture to go for.I mean, for 100s/1000s PCs deployment... An believe me, there, power IS taken into account.
Final Hamlet - Thursday, December 21, 2006 - link
Quote: I doubt many PC enthusiasts place much importance on CPU power consumption.If they did Intel would never have sold any P4 chips.
That is where you are wrong. Say it after me: Million-dollar-marketing-campaign.
Not the best product wins, but the best advertised.
Think back to P4-times: Some average I-know-that-I-have-to-press-the-big-button-to-make-my-compie-start-Joe would enter a big (online) store like DELL where his only choice was a P4 - end of selection.
Asked why he should buy it he would receive something like this: It has 3 REAL GHz, other manufacturers have _only_ about 2GHz. And then he would buy.
PS I'm no AMD-fanboy. One has to clearly admit that Intel did a marvellous job with it's Core2. Only reason to buy is aforementioned power consumption in idle (my PC is idle 90% of the time) und the nice low price.
Too strange. If you read hardware sites you could come to the conclusion that there are no single core CPUs anymore.
feelingshorter - Thursday, December 21, 2006 - link
Looking at those benchmarks, I think Intel won based on per/watt performance. AMD had lower watt usage but also lower performance. Given that a cpu can work harder, then be idle, i see per watt performance as the most important thing. I would have expected AMD to do better, but they did not come through.mino - Thursday, December 21, 2006 - link
No offense, but the moment one takes into account the fact of average PC spending >90% of time at idle, well, C2D eats X2's dust.From energy efficiency perspective, of course.
Accord99 - Thursday, December 21, 2006 - link
Only if the C2D gets paired with a hotter chipset. The P965 motherboards tend to use 10-20W less on idle and load.