NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT: The Only Card That Matters
by Derek Wilson on October 29, 2007 9:00 AM EST- Posted in
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The First PCIe 2.0 Graphics Card
NVIDIA's 8800 GT is the "world's first consumer GPU to support PCI Express 2.0." Although AMD's Radeon HD 2400/2600 have PCIe 2.0 bandwidth, they don't implement the full spec, leaving the 8800 GT technically the first full PCIe 2.0 GPU. Currently, the only motherboard chipset out that that could take advantage of this is Intel's X38. We have yet to play with benchmarks on PCIe 2.0, but we don't expect any significant impact on current games and consumer applications. Currently we aren't bandwidth limited by PCIe 1.1 with its 4GB/sec in each direction, so it's unlikely that the speed boost would really help. This sentiment is confirmed by game developers and NVIDIA, but if any of our internal tests show anything different we'll certainly put a follow-up together.
PCIe 2.0 itself offers double the speed of the original spec. This means pairing a x16 PCIe 2.0 GPU with a x16 electrical PCIe 2.0 slot on a motherboard will offer 8GB/sec of bandwidth upstream and downstream (16GB/sec total bandwidth). This actually brings us to an inflection point in the industry: the CPU now has a faster connection to the GPU than to main system memory (compared to 800MHz DDR2). When we move to 1066MHz and 1333MHz DDR3, system memory will be faster, but for now most people will still be using 800MHz memory even with PCIe 2.0. PCIe 3.0 promises to double the bandwidth again from version 2.0, which would likely put a graphics card ahead of memory in terms of potential CPU I/O speed again. This will still be limited by the read and write speed of the graphics card itself, which has traditionally left a lot to be desired. Hopefully GPU makers will catch up with this and offer faster GPU memory read speeds as well.
For now, the only key point is that the card supports PCIe 2.0, and moving forward in bandwidth before we need it is a terrific step in enabling developers by giving them the potential to make use of a feature before there is an immediate need. This is certainly a good thing, as massively parallel processing, multiGPU, physics on the graphics card and other GPU computing techniques and technologies threaten to become mainstream. While we may not see applications that push PCIe 2.0 in the near term, moving over to the new spec is an important step, and we're glad to see it happening at this pace. But there are no real tangible benefits to the consumer right now either.
The transition to PCIe 2.0 won't be anything like the move from AGP to PCIe. The cards and motherboards are backwards and forwards compatible. PCIe 1.0 and 1.1 compliant cards can be plugged into a PCIe 2.0 motherboard, and PCIe 2.0 cards can be plugged into older motherboards. This leaves us with zero impact on the consumer due to PCIe 2.0, in more ways than one.
NVIDIA's 8800 GT is the "world's first consumer GPU to support PCI Express 2.0." Although AMD's Radeon HD 2400/2600 have PCIe 2.0 bandwidth, they don't implement the full spec, leaving the 8800 GT technically the first full PCIe 2.0 GPU. Currently, the only motherboard chipset out that that could take advantage of this is Intel's X38. We have yet to play with benchmarks on PCIe 2.0, but we don't expect any significant impact on current games and consumer applications. Currently we aren't bandwidth limited by PCIe 1.1 with its 4GB/sec in each direction, so it's unlikely that the speed boost would really help. This sentiment is confirmed by game developers and NVIDIA, but if any of our internal tests show anything different we'll certainly put a follow-up together.
PCIe 2.0 itself offers double the speed of the original spec. This means pairing a x16 PCIe 2.0 GPU with a x16 electrical PCIe 2.0 slot on a motherboard will offer 8GB/sec of bandwidth upstream and downstream (16GB/sec total bandwidth). This actually brings us to an inflection point in the industry: the CPU now has a faster connection to the GPU than to main system memory (compared to 800MHz DDR2). When we move to 1066MHz and 1333MHz DDR3, system memory will be faster, but for now most people will still be using 800MHz memory even with PCIe 2.0. PCIe 3.0 promises to double the bandwidth again from version 2.0, which would likely put a graphics card ahead of memory in terms of potential CPU I/O speed again. This will still be limited by the read and write speed of the graphics card itself, which has traditionally left a lot to be desired. Hopefully GPU makers will catch up with this and offer faster GPU memory read speeds as well.
For now, the only key point is that the card supports PCIe 2.0, and moving forward in bandwidth before we need it is a terrific step in enabling developers by giving them the potential to make use of a feature before there is an immediate need. This is certainly a good thing, as massively parallel processing, multiGPU, physics on the graphics card and other GPU computing techniques and technologies threaten to become mainstream. While we may not see applications that push PCIe 2.0 in the near term, moving over to the new spec is an important step, and we're glad to see it happening at this pace. But there are no real tangible benefits to the consumer right now either.
The transition to PCIe 2.0 won't be anything like the move from AGP to PCIe. The cards and motherboards are backwards and forwards compatible. PCIe 1.0 and 1.1 compliant cards can be plugged into a PCIe 2.0 motherboard, and PCIe 2.0 cards can be plugged into older motherboards. This leaves us with zero impact on the consumer due to PCIe 2.0, in more ways than one.
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bob4432 - Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - link
i have been waiting for this card :) my old x1800xt will soon be retired once these guys get to ~$180 AR!!!! :) :)R3MF - Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - link
I am deeply impressed with the card, but i have a severe aversion to cut-down products.A 128 SPU version clocked at 640MHz with 2000MHz GDDR memory would go down a treat.
How about it?
mpc7488 - Thursday, November 1, 2007 - link
About one month.http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=9474">http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=9474
"A G92-derivative will appear later this year with even more shader units. According to company guidance, the new G92 will launch in early December and feature 128 shader units as opposed to the 112 featured on GeForce 8800 GT. ... In addition to the extra shaders, the new G92 will also feature higher core frequencies and support for up to 1GB GDDR3."
varia - Monday, October 29, 2007 - link
RE: Wow by EODetroit on: Oct 29, 2007 3:06 PMRating: 2Now.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLi...18+10696...">http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLi...18+10696...
When I was checking out around 1pm today at newegg, they got 4 diff. cards, all $249-269
Now, they listed 2, all back order, price: $289-299
Pffff not gonna but from them, for sure.
varia - Monday, October 29, 2007 - link
Forget newegg, Fry's will have it at this friday.http://shop4.outpost.com/product/5434329?site=sr:S...">http://shop4.outpost.com/product/5434329?site=sr:S...
EVGA GeForce 8800GT Video Card (512MB DDR3, PCI-E 2.0, DX10, OpenGL 2.0)
EVGA:
FRYS.com #: 5434329
Price: $ 229.99
gplracer - Monday, October 29, 2007 - link
Are these results running the 8800gt as a single or in sli?gplracer - Monday, October 29, 2007 - link
never mind it is single i miss read itShlong - Monday, October 29, 2007 - link
Awesome, been waiting for something like this to come around. Right now at most places the cheapest I've found is $260 with $6 shipping. I'll wait for it to drop down to around the $199 mark & I'll be all over it.clandren - Monday, October 29, 2007 - link
how long before we start seeing something like this in a laptop? i think there was a brief mention that it might be possible to make one with passive cooling.. so that makes me hopeful. the 8600 series in laptops doesnt really impress meAggressorPrime - Monday, October 29, 2007 - link
Page 3"We aren't including any new tests here, as we can expect performance on the same level as the 8600 GTS."
Let us hope the GeForce 8800 GT is on the same level as the GeForce 8600 GTS.