AnandTech Tests GPU Accelerated Flash 10.1 Prerelease
by Anand Lal Shimpi on November 19, 2009 12:00 AM EST- Posted in
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Flash 10.1 on GM45 and ION Laptops
As Anand mentioned, I ran some tests on laptops as a sanity check. Besides the AMD numbers (ATI HD 3200 using a Gateway NV52 laptop), I also ran tests on an HP Mini 311 (NVIDIA ION LE) and a Gateway NV58 (Intel GMA 4500 MHD). My results with the ION LE laptop are similar to Anand's experience, except that I didn't have an external display so I used the native 1366x768 laptop LCD. The difference between Flash 10.0 and 10.1 is absolutely stunning on an ION-based netbook. I conducted all of the laptop testing with the videos running in fullscreen mode.
HP Mini 311 (ION LE) Full Screen 1366x768 Performance |
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Flash 10.0.32.18 | Flash 10.1.51.45 | |
Hulu HD 720p - LOTS - Avg. CPU | 98% | 66% |
Hulu HD 720p - LOTS - FPS | 1.1 | 24.2 |
Hulu 480p - The Office - Avg. CPU | 92% | 66% |
Hulu 480p - The Office - FPS | 7.1 | 27.6 |
YouTube HD 720p - PoP - Avg. CPU | 90% | 69% |
YouTube HD 720p - PoP - FPS (Dropped) | 10.5 (1519) | 24.0 (0) |
Using Flash 10.0, the ION netbook is horrible for Flash video. Standard definition movies on YouTube are about as good as it gets, and there's still obvious frame dropping when running in fullscreen mode. HD movies range from dropping about one third of the frames to dropping well over half of the frames, and that's at 720p. With YouTube now starting to support 1080p videos, things only get worse. We averaged around three frames per second on a 30 FPS video. Hulu is even worse, with SD video managing just 7.1 FPS and a 720p video running a 1 FPS slideshow.
Upgrade to Flash 10.1 and pretty much all of the problems mentioned above are gone. Average CPU utilization drops by 20 to 35% and every video we tested worked without a hitch (provided we used the &fmt=22 workaround mentioned earlier). Hulu's 720p Legend of the Seeker (one of their few HD videos at present) ran at a buttery smooth 24 FPS. Needless to say, your typical netbook using an Intel GMA 950 isn't going to be able to do any of this stuff, regardless of which version of Flash you're running.
Moving on to the Gateway NV58 with GMA 4500MHD....
Gateway NV58 (GMA 4500MHD) Full Screen 1366x768 Performance |
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Flash 10.0.32.18 | Flash 10.1.51.45 | |
Hulu HD 720p - LOTS - Avg. CPU | 76% | 56% |
Hulu HD 720p - LOTS - FPS | 25.3 | 24.5 |
Hulu 480p - The Office - Avg. CPU | 72% | 62% |
Hulu 480p - The Office - FPS | 33.5 | 10.2 |
YouTube HD 720p - PoP - Avg. CPU | 52% | 41% |
YouTube HD 720p - PoP - FPS (Dropped) | 26.2 (0) | 24.0 (0) |
Things were a bit more interesting on the NV58. First, we really didn't have any trouble watching any of the videos in full screen mode using Flash 10.0. CPU usage was rather high on the 2.1 GHz T6500 processor, but there were no noticeable frame drops. Both Hulu videos had CPU utilization at above 70%, with spikes hitting 95%. The YouTube 720p video we looked at didn't require nearly as much CPU power, and it didn't drop any frames. One oddity worth noting is that frame rates actually tended to be slightly higher than the video content, though it didn't cause any noticeable distortion.
Updating to Flash 10.1 was a mixed bag. The good news is that CPU utilization dropped by 11 points on the YouTube 720p video. The frame rate also locked in at 24 FPS, which is what you would expect since the source movie is 24 FPS. Our Hulu HD 720p movie dropped CPU usage by 20%, again with frame rates running at the expected 24 FPS (give or take). The anomaly was the Hulu SD video, where we saw CPU usage dropped 10% but frame rates went from a smooth 33 FPS down to 10 FPS. Unfortunately, looking around Hulu, the vast majority of their videos appear to have this problem on the GMA 4500MHD.
Considering the problems we had with ATI video playback and Flash 10.1, the problem appears to be either graphics drivers or incomplete support for non-NVIDIA hardware in Flash 10.1. We expect this is one of those areas Adobe will work on during the next couple of months prior to the official launch of Flash 10.1.
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gandralf - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - link
Not while we have the H.264 vs. Theora issue.Zoomer - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - link
Don't see why it can't both be supported.fredz - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - link
How do you actually measure the FPS of these Flash based videos in Hulu etc?JarredWalton - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - link
FRAPS with logging of the WDM enabled. (This is only available on Vista/Win7.) Oddly, this is only necessary on Flash 10.1; FRAPS works without WDM logging on 10.0.max22 - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - link
What is the link to the firefox version please? Will the latest prerelease flash mess up Skype's Extras as well ?JarredWalton - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - link
The download link on page 1 is now updated so it takes you to the correct page. There's an EXE plugin as well as an EXE for ActiveX.Incidentally, you can run the following from the command line to uninstall the current version of Flash:
flashplayer10_1_p1_plugin_111709.exe -uninstallclean
macs - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - link
what about atom + 945gse chipset?JarredWalton - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - link
945GSE doesn't have any support for video offload (at least not the H.264 stuff) so it won't get any help from Flash 10.1 other than perhaps some CPU optimizations.AstroGuardian - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - link
945GSE is totally useless.Sunday Ironfoot - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - link
Silverlight has had GPU acceleration since version 3.0 (the current latest version). I'd be interested in a comparison between Silverlight vs. Flash.